Man's Meat

For Consideration
Jesus didn't eat meat, only fish

Not by way of commandment, but by Spirit

God made the herbs and fruit of the trees for man's meat.

Noah was the first to be told to eat flesh for his "meat"; however, it came with a commandment that this flesh eating was only to save his life, and he was warned that the blood of every beast would be required at his hand--or him who shed the blood.

Then in Moses' day, in the day when the Israelites chose to live on a lesser level--without the Melchisedec priesthood and Celestial law--they were given a lesser game plan. Moses even spelled out to them what they should and shouldn't eat. (Leviticus 11) Jesus fed the Israelites grain (manna) in the wilderness--they wanted flesh--they got flesh and died of plague. Jesus called the manna "bread from heaven." (Ex. 16:4)

Israelites in Babylon in 600 B.C., Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, refused to eat meat from the king's rich table (Dan. 1).


Out of the desert sands rises the Archangel Michael near the banks of the Nile. The saint shields Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego in the fiery furnace. This 1,000-year-old Coptic fresco adorned a cathedral in Faras, once the center of Christianity in Sudanese Nubia. Since its discover in 1961, archeologists have save some 100 priceless Nubian paintings.

National Geographic book, The Nile, pp.110-111

Restoration will come at the end of time. Even the meat-eating animals will eat straw. None will eat another's flesh in the Millennial Reign. Isaiah

John Ballentyne, pastor of a prayer meeting group, received a visits from Jesus when the group was praying about the issue of meat-eating. Read it to see what Jesus did when He was offered a meat sandwich. Nephites ate raw meat for want of food when they were traveling in the wilderness.

Arabs, Hebrews, and Solomon's court

Sharpshooter Bill


Prayer Subject: eating flesh

"And the wolf and lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock; and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all My holy mountain, saith the Lord. Isa. 65:25

"He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man .... " (Isa. 66:3)

And for those who say we will eat fish, then, if we can't eat meat in Zion, think again!

These oceans will be driven back into the cavity, or area where the North Countries people dwelt.

"He shall command the great deep and it shall be driven back into the North Countries and the islands shall become one land,...and the earth shall be like it was in the days before it was divided." (D.C. 108: 5f)

Imagine if you will, these North Country people, who for 2,700 years have lived under the protective shelter of God. There were, no doubt, many disillusioned by the long wait to go to Zion; many living and dying with the hope that it would come in their day. Some of our spiritual giants hoped Zion could be redeemed in their day, but also saw it withheld because of the sinfulness of our people. It was said that Apostle Oakman went to his grave in sorrow.

Today many church members do not believe in the existence of a "hidden land." And likewise, there are a group of people in the north who do not belong to, nor believe in, the Lord's church in that area.1 Yet the two will merge in Zion, in God's time, to fulfill scriptures.2 The wicked in the north will see giant tidal waves engulfing them, flooding their lands the same as the wicked in the Americas. Those in America will see a righteous army coming from the North Country, bringing their rich treasures to a destitute people, if they have obeyed the gospel, and been found worthy to witness this great event. (D.C. 108:6c)

No oceans--no fishing. No flesh eating during the Millennial Reign will be permitted. And if it is wrong then, it will be wrong in eternity even though the seas will return on the Celestial globe, after the transfiguration.3 The earth will be like a garden of Eden. All vegetation necessary to sustain life will be supplied.

John prays about meat-eating

This testimony is not to stir up controversy over meat eating. To each, his own. We should not care what a man puts into his stomach, but rather be concerned about what comes out of his heart. Man is his own benefactor of his stewardship. However, I would like to share the following testimony of a friend who loved a good steak. He was the pastor of a prayer group, and when contention arose of whether or not they should eat meat, he took it to God in prayer. His story is on a tape recording in my possession today. Portions are quoted.

John Ballentyne, a man of God, an RLDS elder, was at work one day, and being lunch time, he went into the back to get his sack lunch which contained two meat sandwiches. Intending to sit in the only chair in the warehouse, he was a little perturbed, when coming from the back he saw an old man sitting in his chair. John said, "I thought, 'I'm going to ask him to move.'" Walking up to him, the old gentleman didn't give John the opportunity to show his irritation. Speaking first, the old man said, 'I see I'm sitting in your chair.'
John replied, "Yes, you are."
The old gentleman then said, 'Do you have something to eat?'
'Yes, I have two meat sandwiches,'
John answered, 'and you may have one of them.'

John saw such an overwhelming love in the old man's face that the veil was removed, and the Christ was revealed. John said, "He smiled, and in that smile I saw the prints of the nails in His hands, and the wound in His side.
Jesus said, 'In your heart I see a desire to serve God.'
I said, "O, Lord, I'm striving as hard as I can."

They visited on several things, and Jesus answered his questions. Then John, asking about his own ministry, said, "What about my ministry? Can I qualify as Abinadi."
Jesus hesitated and wouldn't answer him, but John persisted.
'What about my ministry? Am I able to stand as he stood? Is my character such as I'd be able to stand even in the face of death?'

Jesus then spoke. 'In thee I see no guile.'

John told us, "I can see a lot of [my own] faults, but at that present moment He saw in me no guile, and I was lifted up...I said, 'Lemmie and I have been together for many years. Will we be in our ministry together? He said, 'You will be called upon to go your own ways without purse or script.'
I said, 'Won't we be able to go together?'
He said, 'No, because the workers are so few.'

"Sitting in the door of the warehouse, I asked the Lord, 'How is it that Phillip was caught away after he had ministered to the eunuch?' and I was shown myself and Lemmie, and I saw two mighty hands reach out...and I saw us walking...Lem said to me, 'Where are we going, John?' I said, 'We're needed over here to give ministry.'

Two mighty hands drew the earth together and we stepped from where we were [in front of the RLDS Auditorium], into the land of India. We went into a little sod hut...where we saw a little woman lying there with her bones showing because of the disease that had filled her body.

We administered to her and saw her bones clothed with flesh again (healed over), and she got up and would have ministered to us of those things which she had. We knew of the destitution that had stricken her home, and we made excuse and said, 'We are called upon to go again to minister to others.' And so we stepped again from that land back to the Auditorium [in Independence, Mo.] I saw all this in a very short time, but it was just as real as I'm sitting here before you, and you before me."

John concluded his testimony by speaking of the love he saw in Jesus' eyes. He said, "As He smiled, this love was the thing that opened the door [enabling me] to see the prints in His hands, and feet, and side. Love was written on His face. He was such a gentle soul. When we got through with this conversation, the front of my overalls were as wet as if somebody had poured water on me. My first thought was, 'My land, if some of the boys come in, they would think there was something wrong with me.' Then I thought again real quick, 'What difference. If the boys had been privileged to be here with me, their britches would be wet too.' "

What was the message in the vision
on the red meat-eating issue?

The first question John asked Jesus was, "If meat is wrong to eat, why didn't you give Lehi's family seeds to eat instead of meat, in the wilderness?"4 And I find Jesus' reaction to this question very interesting. He didn't answer John with a yea, nor a nay; He just smiled. However, I find it more interesting that Jesus didn't eat one of the sandwiches when He could have. (He ate fish with the apostles during the 40 days of teaching after His resurrection. The Bible calls it "meat."5)

Jesus told John that he and his friend, Lemmie, would go their separate ways. How true, for overweight John, who loved his meat, passed away of a massive heart attack quite suddenly. No doubt this precious soul will be back in Independence, ministering as a resurrected saint, working in the building of Zion for which his heart yearned.

1. See Holsworth's conversation with the North Country prophet.
2. Jeremiah 16:15
3. D.C. 28:6c
4. 1N 5:57, 75
5. Luke 24:42



Roy Weldon

Several years ago my brother and I ventured into the vast desert wastes of the Chocolate Mountains, east of the Imperial Valley in California. Although we took every precaution to keep our land marks straight we became lost. Realizing our danger we scanned the desert with deep concern. A mountain peak, like Isaiah's mountain of the Lord's house (Isa.. 2:2), rose above all the other peaks. We set out to climb this mountain. As we reached the summit the clear desert air gave distance to our vision. To the north and west on the distant horizon the snowcapped peaks of the San Bernadino Mts. were shining in the light of the descending sun. Our concern and our doubts departed. We saw in what direction our salvation lay.

Months after this experience, while sitting in a reunion prayer service, I was lifted up until I reached the peak of another mountain, the spiritual peak of that prayer service. There in the clear atmosphere of those spiritual heights I saw in what direction my salvation lay, for I saw another great mountain--the mountain of the Lord's House which Isaiah said would be established in the tops of the mountains and be exalted above the hills in the latter days.

As I looked I saw the city of the Lamb of God. The towers of her righteousness were gleaming in the sunlight of eternal truth. The pearly gates of her purity were sparkling in the light of the Son of God. I perceived that no man could scale all the heights that shut us away from that city if he were not willing to observe the Word of Wisdom and purify himself before his God.

No man could climb these mountains who was not willing to keep the Financial Law. There were other spiritual heights to scale before the church could reach the Zionic City.

I perceived that for every law this people will observe to keep, for every height that they ascend, there shall come releases of divine power. Upon the highest height, Jesus Christ and the ministering angels of His presence are waiting--waiting to endow this people with such power as few men have ever experienced.

Then, it seemed my soul was set on fire even as I perceived that it lay within the power of this people to arise in the strength of their manhood and their womanhood and to move forward keeping commandment upon commandment, ascending height upon height, making improvement upon improvement, rising mountain peak above mountain peak, even until they shall come to the tops of the mountains and unto the gates of that city "which hath foundations whose builder and maker is God."

Long after this vivid experience I wondered about the first height being the Word of Wisdom. Like the average Latter Day Saint I interpreted it more or less according to my own likes and dislikes; but the WORD given to me while I was on the mountain height lingered on,

"No man can scale all the heights that shut us away from that city who is not willing to observe the Word of Wisdom and purify himself before his God."

I determined, allegorically speaking, to walk all the way around this mountain. Perhaps like an earthly mountain that can sometimes be climbed from one side but not from another, I might see it differently from another angle. I set out. A new side of the mountain became visible. I drew close. Written on the cliffs were these words,

"I have warned you and forewarn you, by giving unto you this word of wisdom by revelation." (D.C. 86:1)

"Warned and forewarned"--Better be careful, I thought, this is warning and from the Lord Himself. "Word of Wisdom"--there flashed through my mind the words of Daniel concerning the last days,

"and they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament."

"By revelation". Yes, given by revelation. Why, that is the rock upon which Christ told Peter He would build His church. No chance to get around this. I will move on.

Another angle of the mountain became visible. Written plainly on the cliff I read these words,

"Not by commandment or constraint."

In soliloquy, I mused--This word of wisdom is not a commandment but just kindly counsel and has no particular bearing upon the fundamentals. I started to climb the mountain. Then I saw a sign --warning-

"Blessed are those who hearken unto My precepts, and lend an ear unto My counsel." (II Nephi 12:37).

"Ye call upon My name for revelations, and I give them unto you: and inasmuch as ye keep not My sayings which I give unto you, ye become transgressors.." (D.C. 81:1)

Turning to retreat I noticed another sign listing reasons why modern Israel was cast out of Missouri,

"And your minds in times past have been darkened because of unbelief, and because you have treated lightly the things you have received. (D.C. 98:3).

"But verily I say unto you, that I have decreed a decree which My people shall realize, inasmuch as they hearken from this very hour, unto the counsel which I, the Lord their God, shall give unto thee. And by hearkening to observe all the words which I, the Lord their God shall speak unto them, they shall never cease to prevail until the kingdoms of the world are subdued under My feet; and the earth is given unto the saints, to possess it forever and ever." (D.C. 100:2)

"Behold, I, the Lord, am not well pleased with many who are in the church in Kirtland, for they do not forsake their sins, and their wicked ways, the pride of their hearts, and their covetousness, and all their detestable things, and observe the words of wisdom and eternal life which I have given them." (D.C. 95:4)

Pointed and plain language, this. There flashed through my mind a picture of the wreckage of the church in 1844, and then the words on the sign,

"And by hearkening to observe all the words."

Yes, by doing this the church of the future, "will prevail until the earth is given unto the Saints to possess it forever."

I moved on. A new angle became visible, "Word of Wisdom, showing forth the order and will of God." Very high on the cliff I read,

"No man can come unto Me, except he doeth the will of My Father who hath sent Me." (John 6:65).

I knew that, that in the tops of those spiritual mountains dwells "the most High"--no man can come unto Him --no man can climb those mountains "except he doeth the will." I continued to read,

"And the willing and obedient shall eat the good of the land of Zion in these last days; and the rebellious shall be cut off out of the land of Zion." (D.C. 64:7)

Next, I read, "Behold, thou art Nephi, and I am God. Behold, I declare it unto thee in the presence of Mine angels, that ye shall have power over this people, and thus, if ye shall say unto this temple, it shall be rent in twain, it shall be done. And if ye shall say unto this mountain, be thou cast down and become smooth, it shall be done." (Helaman 3:118,121,122)

In awe I wondered what this man had done that God should grant him such power. Then I saw the answer,

"Blessed art thou Nephi, for those things which thou hast done; and thou hast not feared them, and hast not sought thine own life, but have sought My will, and to keep My commandments." (Helaman 3:115,116)

I moved on. This time the heights were alive with all manner of animals and fowl and in bold relief,

"All these to be used with prudence and thanksgiving."

Drawing close, I read --warning: "To be used only in times of winter, cold, famine or excess of hunger."

I liked a good steak. It wasn't winter but it was a little cold, and besides I had an "excess of hunger." I started to climb the mountain. Then another sign--warning--

"Woe be unto man that sheddeth blood or that wasteth flesh and hath no need." (D.C. 49:3)


Woe be unto man
that sheddeth blood
or that wasteth flesh
and hath no need

Doctrine & Covenants

Did I have any need to shed the blood of these creatures when there is a corner grocery in nearly every block well stocked with meat substitutes? I wondered. Then I noticed another sign,

"And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together; the lion shall eat straw like the ox." (Isa. 11:7).

If the lion is going to have to change his diet to climb this mountain, can I get by without doing the same? Then I read further,

"They shall not hurt or destroy in all My holy mountain."

A vivid picture of a slaughter house I once had visited flashed before my mind. I could not get by here without hurting or destroying some of these creatures. Turning to go I saw another sign--menu for both man or beast who would dwell in the mountains of the Lord's house:

"And I, God, said unto man, Behold, I have given you every herb, bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth; and every tree in the which shall be the fruit of a tree, yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to everything that creepeth upon the earth, wherein I grant life, there shall be given every clean herb for meat; and it was so, even as I spake." (Genesis 1:31-33)

Continuing my journey around the mountain I saw a cross planted near the base. Wondering what it could mean I drew close. On it were written these words:

"If any man will come after Me, (climb the mountain) let him deny himself, and take up his cross and follow Me, and now for a man to take up his cross, is to deny himself all ungodliness and every worldly lust, and keep My commandments." (Matthew 16:25,26).

"If ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live unto Christ." "So then they that are after the flesh cannot please God." (Romans 8:13,8)

"They that are after the flesh cannot please God" Then I remembered (D.C. 86:2), "And it is pleasing unto Me"--

Dare I try to climb upwards towards the presence of the "Most High" if I fail to try to please Him on this question of the Word of Wisdom? Then high on the cliff I saw written these words,

"And He that sent Me is with Me, the Father hath not left Me alone; for I do always those things that please Him." (St. John 8:29) Journeying on, I saw a great cliff and written on it, "And again, hot drinks are not for the body or belly."

It is a simple matter if my coffee or tea is too hot, to add sugar and cream to cool it. This is one place I can surely get by. I started to climb. Suddenly there loomed up on my path a great boulder and written on it these words,

"Hearken ye elders of My church."

That surely means me. I am an elder of his church. I read on:

"Sanctify yourselves and ye shall be endowed with power. Purge ye out the iniquity which is among you. Sanctify yourselves before Me."(D.C. 43:4, 3 )

There was a flash of light followed by a great surge of the Spirit. Then and there I saw something I have never thought of before. Sanctify yourselves, yes, cleanse yourselves, purify yourselves. Then I remembered the words of Peter,

"For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man; but holy men of God spake as they were moved upon by the Holy Ghost ." (2 Peter 1:2).

Yes, holy means pure, unadulterated. These are the kind of men God endowed in the past. Can a man be clean and pure and his temple undefiled if it contains the poisons of nicotine, carrein, or theine?

"Sanctify yourselves and ye shall be endowed with power."

As I stepped back and looked upwards towards the heights I remembered the maxim of the ages.

"Cleanliness is next to Godliness."

Could I or dare I attempt to climb those heights drawing nearer to my God with each succeeding step, without purging myself from all uncleanliness?

"And verily I say unto you, ye are clean but not all; and there is none else which whom I am well pleased." (D.C. 38:3)

I had circled the mountain. I was back to my starting point. As I stood musing over my experience the words of the promise came to me,

"And all Saints who remember to keep and do these sayings...shall find wisdom and great treasures of knowledge, even hidden treasures." (D.C. 86:3)

There was only one thing left for me to do--try keeping the Word Wisdom. The results were quickly noticeable. The Spirit came oftener and lingered longer. In my study the Scriptures unfolded as they had never done before. Then one day as I was worshipping in a congregation of the Saints, I was once again lifted to the mountain top. I saw a highway extending downwards into the great valley of the world. The valley was covered with the fogs of selfishness and darkened with the clouds of materialism. I perceived that this highway, even the church which has been set up in these latter days was the only way that men could climb up out of the valley of that which they are to go up into the mountain of that which they might be. But there were great boulders on the highway and some sections were not paved. Also, there were mudholes. Then, these words came with a rush of the Spirit:

"Let now this people roll away the boulders of their transgressions from the highway to My kingdom -- and I will cause this, My Gospel, to roll forth even until the day shall come that it shall fill the whole earth -- Let now this people pave My highway with righteousness and I will pave the way that Zion may be built and that she may spread herself and become very glorious --Yea, and I will pave the way for the fulfillment of every promise made unto this people."


Manna From Heaven Not Enough

The children of Israel were fed manna from heaven during their traveling in the wilderness. Manna was a grain which they gathered each morning. They were to gather enough for one day only. If they gathered too much it would rot with worms. On the 6th day they gathered enough for two days, for they were not to gather on the Sabbath.

"And the manna was as coriander seed, and the color thereof as the color of bdellium. And the people went about, and gathered it, and ground it in mills, or beat it in a mortar, and baked it in pans, and made cakes of it; and the taste of it was as the taste of fresh oil. And when the dew fell upon the camp in the night, the manna fell upon it." (Num. 11:7-9)



But then the people began to lust for flesh to eat, saying, "Who shall give us flesh to eat? We remember the fish, which we did eat in Egypt freely; the cucumbers, and the melons, and the leeks, and the onions, and the garlic; but now our soul is dried away; there is nothing at all, besides this manna, before our eyes."

It made God angry. He said He'd give them flesh, not for one or two days, but enough for one month. He caused a wind to blow quails from off the sea. There were so many birds that they covered the ground on each side of the camp for a whole day's journey walking, and two cubits high. The people spent all one day, all the night, and the next day gathering them.

And then came the plague. "And while the flesh was yet between their teeth, ere it was chewed, the wrath of the Lord was kindled against the people, and the Lord smote the people with a very great plague. And He called the name of that place Kibroth-hattaavah; because there they buried the people that lusted." (Numbers 11:20-25)


Arabs and Hebrews Eat Meat Sparingly

"Like many Arabs today, the Hebrews ate meat only on festive occasions. To vary the monotonous daily diet of parched or cooked wheat and barley, the Hebrew housewife would grind the grain into a coarse flour, mix it with olive oil, and bake it into flat cakes of bread. She garnished the cakes with lentils, broad beans, and other vegetables, including cucumbers. Onions, leeks, and garlic perked up bland dishes. Fresh and dried fruit and wild honey sweetened the meals. In a water-short land, the Hebrews heartily quaffed wine and prized the milk of goat and sheep.

Solomon and his sumptuous court demanded richer fare for their golden table. His "provision for one day was thirty cors of fine flour [about 335 bushels] and sixty cors of meal, ten fat oxen and twenty pasture-fed cattle, a hundred sheep, besides harts, gazelles, roebucks, and fatted fowl" (I Kings 4:22-23).

Each of the 12 administrative districts of Israel [12 tribes divisions] provided him and his court with a month's supplies, including barley and straw for the royal horses. Centralized government replaced the tribal league. Officials appointed by the king roamed the realm, ignoring ancient tribal boundaries and rights. Royal tax collectors..." (National Geographic, Bible Times, p. 242)